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Both Ward and Libaire are friends of mine, and I blurbed this book. I want to get all my conflicts of interest on the table, but I also want to express my desire for people to share The Sober Lush, because it’s the kind of practical instruction and sincere hope many of us need in those shaky early months when we feel exiled from the kingdom. I spent my first year of sobriety gorging on television and tins of lasagna, but eventually I saw that binging and hiding would not cut it; I had to engage with the world.

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“Are you curious about living a giant, dirty, wild, glamorous life without consequences of numbness of regret” the book’s introduction asks. I was, and I know I’m not the only one.

The Sober Lush enters the world at a fraught moment. We are all getting sober in certain ways. Whether confined to our homes or witnessing the soul sickness of our country, this is a bracing and singular time. You do not need to have a drinking problem to benefit from the wisdom of custodia gomma iphone 5s The Sober Lush; its lessons are useful to any human seeking that most noble of goals a richer life. I recently caught up with Ward and Libaire after the book’s June release.

Books on sobriety tend to be memoirs, or books about how to quit, or maybe current theories on addiction. Why did you go in this direction

Amanda Ward: I tried to get sober for a while. I went to meetings, but I wasn’t sure how to build the life I wanted without alcohol. I remember going to Jardine’s house for the first time. She had beautiful music playing and this French pressed coffee in china cups, and her dog was curled up, and I thought, okay. I want this. I want a glamorous, sensuous life. So I wanted to write a cover iphone 5 california road cover iphone xs marcelo burlon map to a life I was still trying to figure out. I furtively looked for huawei p10 lite hoesje custodia tablet a 6 samsung things to read, because I was cover iphone 7 fashion too shy to talk to people and reading was the way to do it without “outing myself.” All I could find was Pete Hamill’s A Drinking Life. It wasn’t what I could relate to. In our generation, we’ve seen that library of books about drinking custodia cover samsung note 9 grow. I love that the library is so much bigger now, and custodia cover samsung s10 plus this was a piece we could contribute.

This book has the unintended consequence of being something that might help people stuck inside during a pandemic. Have you had the same thought

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AW: It mirrors the journey cover iphone 6 moschino I took in early sobriety, where I realized I couldn’t just live in the same life and go to the same parties cover custodia samsung s7 edge and drink club soda. For a long time, I tried to get sober by keeping everything the same but not numbing myself. And with the help of custodia iphone 6s caterpillar Jardine, I decided to blow my life up and see which pieces didn’t fit anymore. Much like quarantine, we just can’t rely on the shortcuts we’ve always had to be happy. We have to become detectives and figure out what works for us and why in order to build a life of connection and joy.

Can each of you talk about your fears of sobriety What kept you from quitting

JL: I would try thirty days, sixty days, and fall off. I was afraid of being the rain on the parade party guest. I was really caught up in how I pleased or did not please other people. Sobriety wasn’t just about substances, but also about: Am I confident enough to be who I am Do I say what I want Or do I have to bow to some social protocol And then a further layer was wondering if that social protocol even existed or was just in my mind It samsung galaxy s8 custodia impermeabile was an epiphany to see so many problems I had with drinking were tied up with other stuff about feeling welcome.

AW: I had built my life around alcohol. My friends drank a lot. iphone 6 6s plus hoesje I had dinners where we all drank wine; I loved traveling and drinking. So I was scared. I saw myself as this brash wild girl who could drink you under the table, but I’m not I just didn’t know who else to be. I had to start over.

I like that the book presents sobriety as a custodia cover huawei p smart discovery process. In some ways, it’s also a rediscovery process. Can you talk about some of the discoveries that surprised you

JL: I feel like every single chapter had some nook or cranny of sobriety that I’d never articulated. I’d gone to this tea store in Santa Fe, and it was full of canisters with handwritten labels and they were gorgeous and reminded me of poetry. I wandered out without buying anything; I just wanted to see the work that other people were doing and be inspired. We uncovered so many of those moments.

AW: I was wasting so much energy on moderating and asking whether I was an alcoholic and whether I would drink that night. Could I have three glasses and go home When I finally gave up, and realized it was not worth the battle, custodia samsung galaxy a70 I just had so much more brainpower. Writing this book last summer was wonderful because I was at my mom’s house with my kids, and every day I’d have an excuse to do some incredible thing. A tarot reading, for instance. It was amazing how much energy I’d spent trying to keep chardonnay in my life.

There’s been a growth of sobriety as a lifestyle, more like custodia iphone 8 anti urto a wellness trend. Can you talk about how you see the “sober curious” movement and the changes you’ve seen in how we talk about drinking problems

JL: I love that the stigma is diminishing. And while I do love the sober curious movement, I also don’t want to make light of addiction, because for so many people, this is life or death. I just want to be clear this book is not about, oh, do a wildflower honey tasting and you’ll get sober.

AW: I find the sober curious movement bewildering. There was nobody I knew when I was younger who was sober because it was healthier. You either could hold your liquor or you couldn’t. I remember reading Caroline Knapp’s Drinking: A Love Story and thinking, okay, so she got this bad, and if I don’t get that bad, I don’t have to quit. So I’m glad there’s some conversation around the idea that maybe a life without numbing agents is more beautiful, no matter whether you could handle them or not.

JL: I think it opens a door that was not opened before.

AW: You can go out to dinner and have these zero proof cocktails now. The first year I quit, I had to explain to every waiter why I was having Perrier, but I’m over that now. I did ask this one bartender to make me a mocktail, and he was like, “All the taste is in the alcohol.” And I was like, really

I used to hear that more than I do these days. I think bars have finally realized people will pay premium prices for drinks that don’t even have alcohol. I’m curious what your favorite nonalcoholic drinks are.

AW: I drink this spicy ginger beer, and I put Rose’s grenadine in it. The brand is cover iphone 7 lusso the Great Jamaican Ginger Beer. My kids take a sip, and they’re like ugh, that’s strong. I’m like, yeah, I always liked ’em strong.

JL: I actually like the supermarket nonalcoholic wines like Fre. If there’s an intimate group or a party of people I don’t know well, it’s nice to be connected in a way where you’re sharing food and drink. There’s something about that. And I’m kind cover iphone 5c ligabue of in love with these botanical elixirs that are nearly fairytale like, with clementine and sage and these gorgeous labels, like Curious Elixirs and Proteau. They remind me of when I first discovered alcohol Johnny Walker Red. I still fetishize drinks, even if that drink is tea…